Posts Tagged ‘Hal Turner trial’

Hal Turner Update, November 2010

November 16, 2010

Things have gone strangely quiet on the Bill White scene. Let’s turn to the infamous Hal Turner case –


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November 1, 2010

Hal Turner: Judge Walter altered the meaning of “true threat”, ignored 40 years of Supreme Court case law on advocating violence, should disqualify himself from further proceedings

Right-wing North Bergen blogger Hal Turner enlists new lawyer in bid to overturn conviction
Monday, November 1, 2010 BY PETER J. SAMPSON
The Record

Hal Turner, the imprisoned ultra-right-wing shock jock from North Bergen, will be represented by new counsel as he seeks to overturn his conviction for threatening to murder three Chicago judges last year. Turner moved to replace his court-appointed public defenders after they missed the 14-day deadline for filing a motion seeking to set aside the jury’s verdict and grant a new trial. But U.S. District Judge Donald E. Walter, who presided over three trials before a jury finally found Turner guilty on Aug. 13 of using his Internet blog to threaten the judges, last week refused another of Turner’s requests — that the judge disqualify himself from any further proceedings in the case.

In a letter written from his cell at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, Turner protested he was not given a fair trial and specifically accused the judge of committing legal errors and abuse of his discretionary powers, the prosecutors of misconduct and his public defenders of botching his defense.

Turner blasted the judge for ignoring “40 years of Supreme Court case law which protects advocating violence,” for altering the definition of a “true threat,” and for disregarding his use of “crude political hyperbole” as defined by the high court.

“If [that] wasn’t bad enough,” Turner continued, “you willfully concealed from all three juries in all three of my trials, a ‘blanket letter of declination’ issued by the United State Attorney for the District of New Jersey (my home state) which says I would not be prosecuted for anything I said on my radio show or anything I published on my web site because I was trained by the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force and knew the legal limits of protected speech.” Turner added he received “this legal advice from the FBI in my role as a National Security Intelligence Operative” for the JTTF. FBI documents confirm Turner was highly valued as a confidential intelligence source on extremists in the white supremacist movement, but his handler denied ever giving Turner legal advice on the limits of protected speech. In addition, prosecutors claim there never was a “blanket letter of declination” giving Turner free reign to say whatever he pleased.Turner moved to replace his court-appointed public defenders after they missed the 14-day deadline for filing a motion seeking to set aside the jury’s verdict and grant a new trial. Turner called it the “last straw in a long series of foul-ups, blunders, failures and missteps.”

The judge relieved Turner’s lawyers, noting they agreed new counsel should be appointed, and said he will name a replacement within 10 days. In a seemingly contradictory ruling, the judge also granted Turner’s request for an extension of time to file a motion for a new trial, then summarily denied the motion. “The court is thoroughly familiar with the history of this case and the testimony and evidence produced at trial, and has determined that a new trial is not required in the interests of justice,” Walter wrote.

A federal court jury in Brooklyn took less than two hours to find Turner, 48, guilty of threatening three federal appeals court judges after they upheld handgun bans in Chicago and Oak Park, Ill., last year. Turner was immediately locked up as a danger to the community. He faces up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine at his sentencing Dec. 3.Turner’s first two trials, in December and March, ended in mistrials after the juries deadlocked with the majorities reportedly favoring acquittal.
E-mail: sampson@northjersey.com


Uptick in Hal Turner chatter:

Oye.times
William Belle
Nov 6, 2010 Anti abortionists murder by proxy
“…Mr. Turner was arrested on June 3, 2009 on charges of inciting his website’s readers to take up arms against the officials. There have been 3 trials. The first trial ended with the jury being deadlocked, the 2nd was declared a mistrial but the 3rd trial found him guilty on August 13, 2010 of threatening the 3 judges. He faces up to 10 years in prison.

Hal Turner, in his defence, stated that he did not say that he himself would kill the judges; he merely said that they deserve to be killed…”
[Which makes all the difference under the freedom of speech laws-americafarm]

Anti-Abortionists: Murder by proxy


Newshounds, Nov 11, 2010
http://www.newshounds.us/2010/11/11/michelle_malkin_calls_obamas_indonesia_trip_a_jihadipromoting_jaunt.php
Hal Turner was associated with Hannity, so that makes Michelle Malkin you know what.


Roberto del Rio – In praise of lynch mobs
October 10, 2010
“…Anonymous does more than shit on the intellectual property owners. They shit on just about anyone who takes themselves too seriously, for vaguely important reasons. Case in point the December 2006 and January 2007 rape of white supremacist radio host Hal Turner’s website. What followed was the deleting of Hal Turner from the internet, which cost him thousands in bandwidth bills. He sued 4chan, eBuam’s World, 7chan and others for copyright infringement. His plea for injunction was not granted and due to a lack of letters from the court, the suit lapsed…”
Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/proper-nouns-in-the-773/2010/10/a-word-to-the-wise-or-how-anonymous-will-save-our-lives-1.html#ixzz15SgGl8Pu


Adam R. Gold, Crimson editorial writer – It’s okay if we do it
November 12, 2010
“…In providing average citizens with ammunition, Butler has contributed to the increasing militarization of the Internet. Regardless of his motives, releasing Firesheep has generated the same mixture of fear, confusion, and general hilarity associated with the Anonymous movement and its various hacker collectives, like 4chan. These hacker groups have been attacking a range of targets, from white supremacist Hal Turner to teen sensation Justin D. Bieber, for most of the decade, and while their victims tend to be people most Harvard students love to hate, innocents can get caught in the crossfire. For instance, Apple’s stock price dropped significantly in 2008 when 4chan pranksters posted a fake entry on CNN’s iReport that Steven P. Jobs had suffered a heart attack…”
http://www.thecrimson.com/column/fully-charged/article/2010/11/12/firesheep-internet-plugin-websites/


Dana Edwards – Young black man doesn’t like internet vigilante mobs
Boston Independent Examiner
November 15, 2010

“…Hal Turner went on to provide the names of the judges along with information on how to locate them. Hal Turner was arrested on June 24th 2009 for making threats against judges. When the case went to trial Hal Turner admitted to being an FBI informant trained as an agent provocateur. The result was a mistrial. Hal Turner was charged again and was found guilty.

The question as to whether “Anonymous” was right or wrong in their actions is irrelevant. Their actions were illegal and that is what is relevant. It’s also relevant that Hal Turner the admitted FBI informant was convicted. Perhaps someone in the FBI decided that Hal Turner was more trouble than he was worth.”
http://www.examiner.com/independent-in-boston/the-internet-vigilante-mob-hacktivism-or-internet-vigilantes-run-amok

Turner Convicted, First Amendment Gone!

August 13, 2010

North Jersey Article Here –
http://www.northjersey.com/news/081310_FBI_says_shock_jock_Hal_Turner_was_valuable_asset_hard_to_manage.html

Hal Turner was immediately led away to jail. Turner’s mother, Kathy Diamond said, “The First Amendment is gone”. Yeah, I would totally agree with the lady. (I didn’t know that Ashkenazi-looking kid in all the photos was Hal Turner’s son. I didn’t know he had a son. Hmmm. Bet Hal’s mom looks like Elena Kagan.)

I don’t care about Turner, but I was thinking that if Hal got off (as he certainly should have) they would have to drop the Matt Hale juror intimidation charge against Bill White for good. That’s why Posner wouldn’t let Hal go, in my opinion.

In response to some stuff I had sent Bill copied from “The Family of Hal Turner” web site, Bill White commented back to me in a letter on June 17th, 2010: “Hal is a nutty liar. He should hope they put him away somewhere safe and isolated from the world. I am just waiting to find out how many people he really hurt with his actions”. (Don’t know what Bill meant by that last line. )

Update: Oh, yeah, this what Bill meant by the that last line:

“…Dep. Elcik also testified that in Oct. 2008, Turner left him a phone message saying he had information about a truck bomb threat to the courthouse in Roanoke, VA. While the information was not detailed, that was the month in which fellow neo-Nazi Bill White was arrested on charges that he had threatened a juror in the trial of World Church of the Creator’s Matt Hale when he was charged and eventually convicted of soliciting the murder of a federal judge, also in Chicago. For some time afterward, he frequently spoke with Turner, who later sent him an email in an effort to be an informant for US Marshals. A little more than a year earlier, the FBI, whom Turner had informed for previously, had ended their association, noting his status “closed for cause”, meaning he was no longer suitable for the government to maintain his informant status. The reason citied was “serious control problems”.

Turner never became an informant for the US Marshals. Bill White eventually had the charges in his case on him dropped, but he is still due to stand trial next week in Roanoke on threats towards others he has made…”
Source:http://ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/the-hal-turner-trial-report-from-opp/

Hal Turner’s Third Trial, the Judge Posner connection

August 12, 2010

What’s most interesting to me about the Hal Turner trial is the Posner connection. Posner is one of Hal’s “victims”, and he is one of the judges going after Bill White for the Matt Hale juror intimidation charge.

Judge Posner was born into a Jewish Communist family. He grew up to become a neo-con type, eager to strike down both the First and the Second Amendment. Posner advocates LSD for the minions of ZOG and torture for ZOG’s many enemies. And Judge Posner is the highly respected “good guy” in the ZOG media! Posner was recently in the news, overturning Judge Lynn Adelman’s dismissal of Bill White’s juror intimidation charge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Posner

Article on Turner’s third trial:
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/08/blog_rants_were_threat_on_our.html

The Family of Hal turner website:
http://family-of-hal-turner.blogspot.com/

Hal Turner’s mother’s name is Kathy Diamond. Hal Turner is probably also of Jewish Communist heritage, and some claim Bill White is, as well. ZOG will neither confirm nor deny.

I’ve heard it said several times that “Bill White was just imitating Hal Turner, he didn’t know Hal Turner was an agent”. Bill did not know that Hal was an agent, I agree with that. The first part, I don’t think that is true.

Hal maintains the feds instructed him on how to make political hyperbole comments that are strictly legal.

One of the differences in the two cases is that Hal did not make direct contact with his alleged victims, Bill White was known for making late night phone calls and sending poison pen letters to his alleged victims.

Not a hair on anyone’s head was harmed by any of this free speech stuff, but let’s drag these court cases on forever and ever and ever!

Letter from Bill White, May 6 – his sentence, the bomb plot

August 8, 2010

Here are some excerpts from a letter from last May. I had mentioned to Bill that all the papers had reported one day that he would get 30 years, and the next day they reported that he got 30 months, at the “top of the federal sentencing guidelines” . Bill explains that damned infernal process here.

Further down, he returns to the phony truck bomb plot, which WAS mentioned at Hal Turner’s trial, and somehow will feature in Bill’s new trial, if Bill has his way. The transcripts he is “waiting for” are the Hal Turner trial transcripts.

This is only a small portion of the letter. Among the deletions is the part where Bill describes what he would be doing if he was out of prison today. What he wrote sounded to me like sedition. People go to jail for that. I cannot be associated with that.

Bill mentions a knee injury; that has healed since May. – americafarm

***
MAY 6, 2010
1 YEAR 196 DAYS
144 TO RELEASE

[SNIP]
…As to my sentence – happy is not quite the right word. Okay is better. I was supposed to go to a camp and be out June 27th. Instead, my security level has been jacked up to medium and I may be here until September 27th, due to halfway house overcrowding. I may get out in between there, but I am not hopeful. Hopefully, I’ll be home to spend the holidays with my little girl.

The FCI is the nicest place I’ve been. I spent so much time just walking around the first week I have injured my knee and spending much time limping. Avoiding all the scumbags who are here and not worth a damn is the hardest part – the facility is orderly and peaceful, the food and commissary adequate, and there is adequate rec and an outdoor yard.

As to my sentence, this is how things went:
-When I was first arrested, the government was contemplating 35 years. Several people, including Hal Turner, Mike Burks and Tim Bland, as well as Randy Blazak and others (alleged victims) were told this.
-After they realized I wasn’t part of a bomb plot, they tried to get me to plea to 30 months on the juror charge, expecting to give me 20 years on the rest.
-After the juror charge was beat, they offered me a plea of 15 years, 12 to serve.
-After the extortion and the rest were beat, they agreed for 5-6 years. This is a where they were at sentencing.
– I received 30 months. The judge’s intent was that I serve 3 and then do six more home confinement. They have now tripped me up to serving six and doing three confinement. Annoying, but what can I do?

I have, essentially, been sentenced for “hate speech”, which is why my case will probably be dismissed on appeal, long after my release. Right now, we are still waiting on transcripts.

But, rest assured, the government is unhappy and still looking to put me away.

[Snip]

What appears to have happened is that Turner got together with Bland, Blevins and others and persuaded them to trick the FBI into thinking I was going to bomb the Poff Federal Building. The FBI trumped up a charge to hold me while they were investigating, and, when they realized they’d made a mistake, instead of releasing me, trumped up more charges to cover things up.

Of course, with Turner and now Bland indicted, this strengthens the argument for prosecutorial misconduct. Now, my FBI files show they slapped an armed and dangerous on me at age 18 because a police car was burned a few days after I was arrested as a kid. Nothing to do with me, if I remember the news, three dozen police cars were vandalized that year (one every ten or eleven days, on average) – but some half rate cop forwarded a suspicion to the FBI, and they’ve been blaming me for all sorts of nonsense ever since. Nothing I’ve been charged with or [indecipherable] for – just suspicion and rumor.

This is the real core of things.

[SNIP]

I have no idea what is said about me on Nikki’s Nest or elsewhere except insofar as it is what was said two years ago. Burks I think was investigating some of the Nikki’s Nest crowd as well. They both certainly cooperate with the FBI but, like most who cooperate with the FBI, they are also watched by the FBI.

[MAJOR DELETION HERE]

Anything I write can go on the web, unless it involves my wife or a personal matter.

Sincerely,
Bill

PS: Rereading your letter – Is Curt Maynard dead? I have little news on the matter.

PPS: [Deleted – concerns a witness’ statement given to the FBI in 2009 by someone making false criminal allegations against Bill White.]